Open Riding Etiquette

Today I did my first open riding however I failed to recognize that it was Opening Riding I. I looked on the site today to find out the difference between I and II but could not find it but I believe 1 is novice/intermediate and Open Riding II is intermediate to advanced. While I'm not "advanced" I really not novice. There was a family there with their jr kid (who was ripping it up for a 10-12 yr old!) and a few other possible novice riders. The total rider count was 7 so that made if very manageable however a few us were hitting it somewhat hot while the others were at a different level. I don't believe there ever was a safety issue with the imbalance but in hindsight I felt bad in that we might have made an environment that intimidated some of the other riders. Sorry about that folks...... What have others experience been with open riding and the imbalance of riders skills? We have already heard the opposite in that there was some frustration of novice riders in Open Riding II but have novice riders had a frustration of feeling intimidated from riding in the sprint lane because of the fast guys doing their thing in it? While the the drome could help monitor it the responsibility comes down to us to ride appropriately for the level that the open riding has been assigned. Or am I making too big a deal of this?

Kris

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this topic came up over the

this topic came up over the weekend and monday night where a couple of us were doing either threshold workouts or warming up for racing while others were not. I could definitely tell that some folks were a little nervous during the hot laps or when the paceline was speeding around the stayers line. I think that this is going to become more prevalent once the latest groups are trained and certified for open riding.

My two cents:
- way too many people dawdle on the stayers line rather than resting on the rail (especially when a paceline is in progress)
- BIC is eventually going to have to think about 3 open ride groups and enforcing them. This will allow less experienced riders a less intimidating open session to ride in.

Agree

I totally agree. the biggest problem i see is riders going WAY to slow on the blue line. They should be hugging the rail when they are going that slowly.

I know it gets annoying at times when riders are telling you to stick or stay but I totally believe when there are 8-12 people on the track this is critical.

"Agree" Follow-on

1. Yes, I fully agree with David that it is annoying and somewhat dangerous for slower riders to hang out on the blue line. So what can be done to fix this problem?

Well, I have always found that the simplest solution is to communicate with that person in a respectful manner. To promote this communication, you could lay a foundation by introducing yourself to the others in your group at the beginning of each riding session. This will break the ice and promotes camaraderie. In fact I have pretty much gotten to know the majority of the riders in the sessions that I frequent the most. Then, during a session break in the infield, you could simply start with something like:

“……………“Hey John, I wonder if you could help me out by riding higher up the banking when you are in your slow and easy recovering pace. I am still a little nervous with passing above you at slow speed at the rail and possibly causing a slide that would take both of us out…………….”

……….or some other means of making your point in a non-offensive manner.

I tested this “theory” yesterday and the rider in question had no problem with my suggestion and responded that he is all for doing everything possible for the purpose of safety. After my suggestion he stayed high on the banking as promised.

2. Yes, I again agree with David. To me it is very critical that we all say “stick”, “stay” or “rail” at ALL times. So again what can we do to fix this problem?

When I get passed by a rider who does not do this, I will simply say “stick or stay please”. In general the response I get is “sorry”.

When in the infield, I will also make a comment like:

“Some of you guys should stop scarring the $]-[!+ out of me by passing me without me knowing that your are coming; stick or stay would sure help me out”.

In the mean time we of course always need to be aware of where the other riders are on the track. I practice this by trying to be fully relaxed in my upper body so that I can look around without loosing my line.

The bottom line is this:

If you make your suggestions with a smile on your face and in a manner that shows respect, you in general will get positive results.

Unfortunately, I also noticed that in fact a majority of the “offenders” are actually the more experienced riders. Some of them seem to feel that they are “above us mortals.” They also seem to be the folks who I have the toughest time communicating these issues with, no matter how hard I try to come across in a respectful manner. So in that case, I go talk to Paul. He has been very good with talking with the rider(s) in question.

In the mean time, if we all keep working together by communicating among each other, we can sure minimize the occurrence of unsafe conditions and add a great camaraderie atmosphere to our track riding as well. Just remember, the new track is only in its infancy. This gives us the opportunity to set safety precedence for others to follow.

See you at the track.

Harry.

It's not BIC job to police

The ACA has a hard time making sure everyone is in the right category so how is BIC suppose to do it?

[Going on a slight tangent here]

It may seem like at times I rag on BIC but in the end I am VERY grateful for them to have had the balls to build a velodrome in this town. So many have come before them and tried and failed. They have some kinks to work out but I'm still way grateful. Thanks to Paul and company at BIC!

Kris

Actually it is BIC's job to ensure a safe environment.

It is advertised and the only Velodrome for "Recreation" Riders...

Actually it is BIC job to ensure a safe environment.
Lets say there is a major wreck in Open Riding I(Beginner) caused by a Pro or Elite sprinting at 40MPH. It is on their site that Open Riding I is open to 3-4-5, aka Beginner, riders. They could be held liable and the place could be shut down... Or people start avoiding riding it and they loose money.

Big thing is for riders to communicate what they are planning on doing in a session. It is open riding so you need to adjust your riding to those around you. If everybody is a beginner, don't open up doing full on sprints at 30+ mph. You are just being stupid and putting yourself and all around at risk. Probably would be good to have an "easy/beginner" open riding session at least once a week. 1-2 and fast 3s need to really be limited to the II sessions. Maybe should be renamed to Open Riding Beginner, Intermediate and Elite...

agree that categories are

agree that categories are never perfect but having a beginner, intermediate, and advanced categories I think are the long term solution. There appear to be a number of recreational riders taking lessons right now so my assumption is that in the next 6 weeks you'll see them all certified and ready to go.

As for categories - just a thought but how about
Beginner - no road or track license with either ACA or USAC
Intermediate - 3 or 4 on road/ track
Advanced - 1,2 on road/ track or approved by BIC staff to ride advanced.

Mike

Open Riding Etiquette - Follow Up

Kris,

I think you are talking about the 6:00 am session, right?

I fully agree with you that it was a very safe workout. All riders showed tremendous respect for one another and all were saying “stick” or “stay” as needed. It seemed that all riders at all times were well aware of what the others were doing and were they where on the track. The difference in level did not seem to matter at all resulting in a real smooth one hour period.

This goes to show that all it takes to have a fun save workout on the track is mutual respect, be aware of one another other and just say “stick” or “stay” as required.

Yeah, that young man was ripping it up wasn’t he. He also applied the track etiquette as if he has been track riding for years. His name, I think, is also Kris. I complemented him on his strong and well mannered riding. We best get his picture and autograph now while it is still easy to get. It will be a lot tougher once he hits the Olympics.

See you next week.

Harry.

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