You think those numbers speak for themselves? There is no legitimate comparison of registration numbers for the Boulder Cup and the Cyclo X races as an indication of the relative merit for holding races in January.
It's really hard to stay in race shape and motivated when there is a one month gap between races. I think the gap in time hurt the turnout.
I see no really problem with racing from Sept-Jan. If you don't want to race, don't. I think the bigger problem that keeps getting worse each year is the group sizes. All year long we hear about people complaining about have to line up with 100+ people. One ways to ease this problem is to extended the season. But again there can't be a month between races. With Worlds next year here in the States, I hope we will keep the race calender packed including plenty of Cross Cups races up on until Worlds in Jan. The idea of having no points races in Sept was good so if the season is too long for you don't start until Oct. Maybe we should just call Sept races practice cross races. Cyclocross is not a sideshow anymore, its our fastest growning sport and needs to have at least a four month run.
I didn't even know about the January race, assuming that, because there were no races in December, the season was over.
Maybe more/better notice of upcoming races would generate better turnout for both racers and spectators? (or, just help me out, here!)
I don't like the new nationals schedule and don't really care about the worlds schedule. Let's not build our season around those two things when the majority won't be attending those events. That said it's fine with me if promoters want to hold races after states and I had fun racing on Saturday even though I quit training on 12/5. However I feel strongly that races after States shouldn't be for CC points.
How about moving Colorado cyclocross state championships to January? That might solve the problem of low turnout and also help prepare those riders going to Nationals / Worlds.
Nationals is early January, 5-8, so you would need to run them on New Years weekend. To many people traveling and spending time with families.
Keep States on the first or second weekend of December.
I, like many other CX racers, shift gears both mentally and physically to other things non-cycling/racing once we get to the holidays. It's not bad going into the first or second week of December but there are too many other things that compete for my time thereafter. Contrary to some people, my family's life does not revolve around cycling.
There are really 2 different groups of racers to think about.
One, The Elite riders who need races into Nationals and Worlds to maintain race fitness. For this group, the later dates for the National championship & worlds makes the need/desire for races in January a no brainer.
Two, The "recreational", local racer type. These are likely the folks driving the numbers in September (when it's more "pleasant" to race..). I really find it hard to believe that the dates for Nationals & Worlds really impacts a lot of peoples choice of "racing season". Looking at the race numbers for the year, once the weather gets "cold", the numbers start dropping off. "Fair weather" crossers, maybe, but that seems to be what happens. I don't think a lot of these "non-Elite" folks are going to continue racing deep into the colder months, and probably not past the holiday, with all the "outside" distractions that brings.
Should there be races in January? Sure, let the "market" decide, no need to force a season on those who don't want it. September to January, why not? People will race when they want to.
One suggestion, separate the "elite" and "recreational" schedules a bit. Elite State championships in Late December or January, with the "Other" groups states in Mid December?
Also interesting, getting to be almost as many people answering the poll as races Saturday.
Actually it is our calendar now - nationals will not be held in 2011; they will be Jan. 2012. That played a large part in trying to start the shift this past season to get some of the ground work laid for the upcoming season.
It's not up to participants to schedule races, If race organizers want to put on a race so be it, noone is being forced to goto any race they don't want to do, and If the big dogs are resting or at world's, it gives smaller dogs time to play at the front without being trampled by the national champs that dominate the regular season. Good for all.
23 Comments
January?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
The question shouldn't be whether we have CX racing in January, the question should be why are we having CX racing in September?
Points: 1
Then why stop road season in August?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
If you are going to ask why race cx in september then also ask
- why do we stop racing road at the end of august OR
- why do we START road racing in late March or April
Maybe the entire race schedule should be shifted by a month!
Points: 1
That is when people want to race...
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Road Season - April to August/early Sept (sometimes practice crits in March)
MTB - late April to early Sept.
Cross Season - mid-Sept to mid-Dec.
Why? Because that is when people actually want to race. There is years of data to back this up.
Points: 1
10/31/10: Boulder Cup: 597
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
10/31/10: Boulder Cup: 597 starters, 1/22/11 Cyclo X: 129 starters. I think the numbers speak for themselves.
Points: 1
last race this season vs last
Submitted by Ben (not verified) on
cyclo-X 2009 Dec 5th - 67 starters.
cyclo-X 2011 Jan 22nd - 129 starters.
Almost double the turn out - looks like there is support and it's growing.
Points: 1
Cyclo-X 2009 vs 2011
Submitted by David on
That is true but the Dec 2009 race was the day after the Colorado State Cyclocross Championships and it was super cold.
Points: 1
You think those numbers
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You think those numbers speak for themselves? There is no legitimate comparison of registration numbers for the Boulder Cup and the Cyclo X races as an indication of the relative merit for holding races in January.
Points: 1
Need more races in Dec-Jan
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It's really hard to stay in race shape and motivated when there is a one month gap between races. I think the gap in time hurt the turnout.
I see no really problem with racing from Sept-Jan. If you don't want to race, don't. I think the bigger problem that keeps getting worse each year is the group sizes. All year long we hear about people complaining about have to line up with 100+ people. One ways to ease this problem is to extended the season. But again there can't be a month between races. With Worlds next year here in the States, I hope we will keep the race calender packed including plenty of Cross Cups races up on until Worlds in Jan. The idea of having no points races in Sept was good so if the season is too long for you don't start until Oct. Maybe we should just call Sept races practice cross races. Cyclocross is not a sideshow anymore, its our fastest growning sport and needs to have at least a four month run.
Points: 1
As a spectator:
Submitted by Rob (not verified) on
I didn't even know about the January race, assuming that, because there were no races in December, the season was over.
Maybe more/better notice of upcoming races would generate better turnout for both racers and spectators? (or, just help me out, here!)
Points: 2
Races in Jan are fine but they shouldn't be for points
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I don't like the new nationals schedule and don't really care about the worlds schedule. Let's not build our season around those two things when the majority won't be attending those events. That said it's fine with me if promoters want to hold races after states and I had fun racing on Saturday even though I quit training on 12/5. However I feel strongly that races after States shouldn't be for CC points.
Points: 3
No racing after States?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
No racing after States? With that logic we'd stop road racing in August. Oh, wait, never mind.
Points: 0
Colorado CX State Championships - January
Submitted by David on
How about moving Colorado cyclocross state championships to January? That might solve the problem of low turnout and also help prepare those riders going to Nationals / Worlds.
Points: 1
No Way! Keep States in Dec...
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Nationals is early January, 5-8, so you would need to run them on New Years weekend. To many people traveling and spending time with families.
Keep States on the first or second weekend of December.
Points: 4
Keep State CX in December
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I, like many other CX racers, shift gears both mentally and physically to other things non-cycling/racing once we get to the holidays. It's not bad going into the first or second week of December but there are too many other things that compete for my time thereafter. Contrary to some people, my family's life does not revolve around cycling.
My .02
Points: 0
2 racing "populations"
Submitted by Dale Riley (not verified) on
There are really 2 different groups of racers to think about.
One, The Elite riders who need races into Nationals and Worlds to maintain race fitness. For this group, the later dates for the National championship & worlds makes the need/desire for races in January a no brainer.
Two, The "recreational", local racer type. These are likely the folks driving the numbers in September (when it's more "pleasant" to race..). I really find it hard to believe that the dates for Nationals & Worlds really impacts a lot of peoples choice of "racing season". Looking at the race numbers for the year, once the weather gets "cold", the numbers start dropping off. "Fair weather" crossers, maybe, but that seems to be what happens. I don't think a lot of these "non-Elite" folks are going to continue racing deep into the colder months, and probably not past the holiday, with all the "outside" distractions that brings.
Should there be races in January? Sure, let the "market" decide, no need to force a season on those who don't want it. September to January, why not? People will race when they want to.
One suggestion, separate the "elite" and "recreational" schedules a bit. Elite State championships in Late December or January, with the "Other" groups states in Mid December?
Also interesting, getting to be almost as many people answering the poll as races Saturday.
Points: 4
State Championships and
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
State Championships and Nationals are in December. As for guys who made the worlds team, they are or should be in Europe. Next.
Points: 1
Look to the Future....
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
.....Next.
http://www.cxmagazine.com/20122013-cyclocross-nationals-awarded-madison-...
Points: 4
Touche ... but that isn't
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Touche ... but that isn't our calendar now.
Points: 0
it is our calendar now
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Actually it is our calendar now - nationals will not be held in 2011; they will be Jan. 2012. That played a large part in trying to start the shift this past season to get some of the ground work laid for the upcoming season.
Points: 2
January Races = Double Points
Submitted by David on
Maybe they should make the Colorado Cross Cup races in January double point races. This would probably get more people to participate.
Points: -2
Good idea!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Good idea!
Points: 3
It's official
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Higher turnout on the poll than at the race Saturday....
Points: 2
It's not up to participants
Submitted by Pwest (not verified) on
It's not up to participants to schedule races, If race organizers want to put on a race so be it, noone is being forced to goto any race they don't want to do, and If the big dogs are resting or at world's, it gives smaller dogs time to play at the front without being trampled by the national champs that dominate the regular season. Good for all.
Points: 2