Farmer, Bee Keeper, and Olympic Mountain Biker, Georgia Gould Primed for London Olympics

Today's Denver Post featured a great story about Olympic mountain biker Georgia Gould

Georgia Gould is a farmer at heart, and her backyard is like a small farm. She has chickens, honey bees and a vegetable garden. Gould, 32, is preparing for her second Olympiad. She placed eighth in mountain biking in Beijing in 2008 but is a strong candidate to medal this time...

This adopted Coloradan from Baltimore via Sun Valley, Idaho, is into the environment and into another Colorado endeavor. Gould is Colorado's queen bee of mountain biking. Change that. She's the queen bee for the United States, which she will represent for the second straight Olympics next month in London.

Read more at the DenverPost

Georgia Gould Interview on Mountain Bike Radio recently
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Same but different...

Is it really the same work though when it's a separate race with different competition? Same line of work, sure. But same work... ...unfortunately not so much. I don't want to speak for anyone else but it sure seems pretty obvious to most that it's simply not the same.

Perhaps your rant is just an attempt to justify equal pay for equal effort (a point made by a few earlier posters) when the argument (probably/arguably) should be about equal pay for equal results.

I love Georgia, even more so for having the courage to publicly state what she stands for - and have had my ass handed to me by her (as well as Katie and Allison) in CX races (in the SM3 mind you).

Somewhat along those lines, I've often wondered if in separating races by gender, we'll ever see equality in the rewards. "most" workplaces don't separate their employees by gender and here you generally see women's pay creeping up to be in line with their male counterparts.

I don't think mixed gender races is really a good idea but I also don't expect to make a living (writing) or racing.

ymmv

If I understand you, you are

If I understand you, you are arguing "equal pay for equal work."

I figured that I would just look at the numbers, and see if that actually supports paying women cyclists the same amount as male cyclists. Here is a little break down (from training peaks, links below):

Work, in physics, is the product of force times distance, which, conveniently, gives us a simple scalar number that we, as cyclists, refer to as kilojoules, which we can use to test out this argument for equal pay!

Lets take two people, one man and one women, who are at the top of their sport, lets say Marc De Maar and Alison Powers.

Mark De Maar did 4329 kj's on the second stage of the tour of california, the biggest mens race in the USA.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/av/KHISUUNDIKCXT5ATTVXSTKB27I
Alison Powers did 2186 kj's on the third 'queen stage' of the womens exergy tour, the biggest womens race in the US
http://blog.trainingpeaks.com/posts/2012/6/12/exergy-stage-3-alison-powe...

So, by the 'equal pay for equal work' theory, Alison should get paid (2186/4329) percent of what Marc De Maar makes, or $0.50 for every $1.00.

Maybe, just maybe, there is good justification for paying women in cycling the same as men, but if so, it is NOT an 'equal work, equal pay' justification.

This might be funnier if it

This might be funnier if it were the first time I'd seen this, but alas, you're either stealing material or an exceptionally literal person ;-)

But to play this out, assuming a pay for work scenario, wouldn't male cyclists earn less for every DNF? Did A. Schleck take a pay cut for fracturing his pelvis? Do GC riders earn less than their domestiques doing the brunt of the work during Grand Tours?

Closer to home, assuming you have a desk job, did you get paid nothing today as despite your heroic efforts at producing, you covered no distance?

Anyway, Kung Fu Panda put it succinctly: it's not "equal pay for equal work" but more "equal pay for equal results."

Screaming your opinion

Screaming your opinion doesn't make it fact. The argument is not based on the gender of the riders, per se. It is about which group's activities generates more revenues, and therefore allows for AND justifies a higher salary.

It's not equal work and there is a significant difference in the revenue generated by the promotion of pro men's races vs pro women's races. Where do you propose the funds to pay equal salaries to pro women cyclists will come from? If the team owners can't raise sufficient sponsorship funds (and they can't, just ask Bill Stapleton) and you dictate equal pay, it will kill pro women's cycling as teams will go broke trying to comply

Did you read your own link?

the very first link states that once you adjust for education level and Industry, the wage gap is more like 91%.

What I find interesting though is the methodology used to create the initial 77%. It's crap to say the least and spouting off that number doesn't really enhance your credibility or that of your argument. Of course we really don't expect people on message boards to actually think before they spout off random interweb facts they gleaned from their 10 second google search.

Our good friends at Wikipedia (the first line on my 10 second search results - and since its on the web it must be true) have this to say...

The estimates for the discriminatory component of the gender pay gap include 5%[4]:2 and 7%[3]:9

if you go by those #'s (arguably accurate but at least cited) then we're looking at 93-95%. While this is FAR from equality, its hardly the travesty you illustrate with the 77% you've chosen to bring up.

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