2014 - Cyclo X - Xilinx

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Saturday, September 20, 2014

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I've followed Cosmo off and

I've followed Cosmo off and on for a few years and while he seems critical at times (particularly towards UCI) I've never thought of him as whiney. I think he's going to P.O. quite a few people here in CO if he doesn't dial back on the blasphemy re: ACA dictates.

More Cosmo

He lost me when I clicked through on that link to the Cat 3 column. Aside from clearly not putting in any real effort to determine the reason why the Cat 3 category is split up, there was another column where he bitched about the mud at Xilinx, and the promoter not providing resources to his liking to clean his bike afterwards. If he can't handle mud at a cross race, maybe he's not the most qualified guy to offer an opinion on the sport.

I read it differently. Not

I read it differently. Not only did he understand the "why" behind the separation of the various cat 3 fields, he refuted the supporting arguments. When looked at through the eyes of someone not vested in the outcome, it makes no darn sense at all to have so many categories unless your sole concern is maximizing race promoter revenues. From the racers' perspective, diluting the fields is a really, really bad idea.

If I recall correctly, the

If I recall correctly, the roots of the 35+Cat3 category in cyclocross were to align with the road categories, not for any of the reasons Cosmo mentioned. I don’t think he actually asked anyone, as I never heard a 35+Cat3 cyclocross racer express those opinions. The skill sets and type of fitness required for cyclocross offset any sort of free time disparity and race attitude between younger and older riders. On the road, it's a different story, and those reasons are valid to many masters when discussing the difference in approach to road racing between a 20 year old Cat 3 that thinks he’s going pro, and a 40 year old Cat 3 that just wants to play bike racer for a couple of hours before he has to face the reality of family and a job.

I don’t necessarily disagree with the premise that the two different Cat 3 groups could be merged for cyclocross. However, I believe that the dearth of UCI regulation cyclocross courses in Colorado suits smaller fields and makes for a better racing experience. 80 guys sprinting for 20 seconds just so they can get lined up in singletrack isn’t a race, it’s a parade. At the end of the day, this is a hobby for most racers, and if it's not fun, why bother?

I had to go back and reread the article (For the other poster that asked, it’s here: http://cyclocosm.com/2014/09/cat-3-35-mythbusting/) and I got a reminder of what really set my opinion of Cosmo. First line “As a recent transplant to Colorado, I’ve been pleasantly surprised with the quality of the handful BRAC Colorado’ Cross Cup races I’ve done so far."(sic). Yeah, despite the thriving cyclocross scene, assorted national champs, and long cycling tradition, we’re a bunch of hillbillies that could not possibly know how to put on a bike race.

Somehow, because of his blog, he's created this perception that he's a legitimate cycling journalist with a valid opinion. I think he's an arrogant east coast hipster douchebag.

Opinions

Everyone's got one. I don't understand why that sentence is a reason someone would dislike Cosmo..maybe there's more to it? If I moved to another part of the country I might say I was pleasantly surprised at a good race venue and well put on race. I wouldn't assume that just because it was Portland or Providence it would be, or wouldn't be a fantastic race. You might say I would be "pleasantly surprised" if it turned out to be a great day.

Seems to me the response of "he's an arrogant east coast hipster douchebag" because he didn't assume Boulder's racing scene was the best on earth says more about you being a pretentious Boulder yuppy douchebag than his level of douchebaggery.

Yeah...opinions

True, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. However, opinions that can’t be supported with facts have no value. I’ve pointed out a couple of reasons for my opinion of the guy, you made assumptions about me that don't accurately reflect my zip code and bank account. Think I’m a douchebag because I think he’s a douchebag? Well, it’s the internet, and everyone with online access thinks a snarky comment is intelligent discourse.

I honestly do not have much experience racing outside of Colorado, so I can’t, and didn’t, say our local scene is the best on earth. I guess I’m more optimistic than you. If I had the opportunity to travel to a race that required a USA cycling license in the Northeast or Northwest, based on the reputation and experiences I have with people within those scene, I would assume certain standards would be met, (which your boy Cosmo didn't seem to do), and the surprise would be if I jumped into a race that didn’t meet those standards. Maybe my expectations are pretty low, but every cross event on the calendar is superior to races that involved hot laps over broken asphalt and clumpy grass at the Fed center.

Nailed it

You absolutely nailed it with your comment. Specifically the comment below. I was thinking the same thing (but I'm at work and don't have time to articulate proper responses to nonsense). The old 35+4 cat was a mosh pit, our courses are very fast for huge groups.

"However, I believe that the dearth of UCI regulation cyclocross courses in Colorado suits smaller fields and makes for a better racing experience. 80 guys sprinting for 20 seconds just so they can get lined up in singletrack isn’t a race, it’s a parade. At the end of the day, this is a hobby for most racers, and if it's not fun, why bother?"

Yes, you are. You're

Yes, you are. You're suggesting every race plays out the same way. That is entirely NOT the case. The 35+3 field in Colorado is usually one the biggest fields, so they're are self serving pricks, right? I think their having fun. The categories are changing next so WHAT IS YOUR POINT?

oversimplification

Joey, if you're referring to my earlier comment (hard to tell, the way this forum formats message threads) I wasn't oversimplifying, I was responding to Statey McStatersnapper's comments re: 80 folks lining up in a parade. If you're IN the race, you may see changes in position from time to time, but from the outside observer's perspective, things line out pretty much straight away in every race and very little position swapping occurs.

UCI standard courses

Hey, just 'cause you don't feel like riding even a foot off the best line doesn't mean that you have to stay lined up like a Barney train. Take the JuviCross course in Golden, for example. Sure, there's a line that everyone rides and almost no one ever varies from it, but the course is plenty wide enough for passing if you've got the power to do it.

Juvicross

The Juvicross course is a perfect example of a course that isn't fun to race in a big field. The race experience is determined by how good a start you get. Get into the top 20ish off the start line, the riders at the front of the race get spread out, and your pace, and result, is largely determined by cyclocross fitness and skills. Get off the line in the back 2/3 of the field, your pace is determined by the riders in front of you, and spend the race sitting on the wheels of riders. Even outside of the racing line, if you're racing riders of similar abilities, passing opportunities are few and far between on that course. If you're blowing by huge chunks of riders on that course, you're probably in the wrong field.

Seriously, you can't pass at

Seriously, you can't pass at JuviCross? A suggestion, which will help you there AND at other races, go out there to practice and ride lap after lap without ever taking the "sweet" line in the turns. Learn to embrace what appears to be a less-than-optimal line. You may surprise yourself at the lines you can take, and take quickly.

If you're just riding the line all the time, you will 1) not pass anyone, and 2) not improve.

OH MAN

" I don’t think he actually asked anyone, as I never heard a 35+Cat3 cyclocross racer express those opinions."

I have heard all these from every masters category. I have been around.

I am not defending Cosmo. But with your last statement you certainly don't have any credibility.

"Somehow, because of his blog, he's created this perception that he's a legitimate cycling journalist with a valid opinion. I think he's an arrogant east coast hipster douchebag."

oh my. So THAT's the dude who

oh my. So THAT's the dude who was whining about the "bumpy" conditions at Boulder Cup and saying stuff like "the promoter should groom the course better"... omg. yeah dude, just so you know, it's the Front Range. Part of the character of racing 'cross on the Front Range involves the ability to drive a hard pace over rough, rocky, loose-over-hardpack riddled with gopher holes and buffalo grass. Don't like it, don't race 'cross out here.

"groom the course" I don't even. Does this cat even understand how Boulder Parks and Open Space works, or the unique politics of riding bikes on dirt in this region? We literally have to do trail days as penance out at Valmont every year just to RESTORE the "turf" to it's previously bumpy bomb-cratered appearance so we can even keep using it for cyclocross... which, ironically, is one of the things it was designed for in the first place.

what a riot, at least he's worth laughing at.

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