Is Haystack TT still going to be a BRAc RMRC Gold race with the course being shortened from 16 to 12 miles?
Race flyer on BRAC site still shows 16 mile loop, but on the Haystack site it is showing that it will be the 12 mile loop. http://gsboulder.org/2013-haystack-mountian-time-trials/
Too bad they shortened it. Was looking at giving it a go but $40 ($30 to the people who do the work and $10 for one day to USAC who does nothing) is a bit steep for a 12 mile TT course I can do any weekend.
to me,(not my original comment) this was my first TT ever last year, driving 2 hours one way for this event, so yes the 4 miles is important, I remember that last 4 miles being so brutally hard, hoping to better manage my effort, hey, it is what it is, not living there that last 4 seemed up hill.
It is a pretty nasty false flat, especially as there is usually an accompanying headwind. That said, different pacing strategy on the shortened course perhaps but the game remains the same: go fast and suffer!
Oh man, don't start talking about entry fees and value with this crowd. You'll get eaten alive with posts saying your cheap. Better to just suck it up and take your inflation like a man.
Maybe I missed it in my brief reading of the RMRC rules, but I don't see any reference to a requirement for a TT to be a specific distance to be a gold vs silver event.
Thought it was a great event as always (even with a shorter course). Great job to the volunteers out there who swept the course, had good traffic control, prizes and atmosphere. My team and I appreciate your contribution to the CO racing scene. Amazing how much cyclists love to hop on and complain behind an anonymous identity on this site. If you hate it so much, please stop racing or do something about it.
Why can't you believe it? This is what has happened to every other rider that has been busted for doping. If you are all of a sudden afraid of getting tested on occasion, wouldn't you back off the gas (epo) a bit? What I can't believe is that he is still racing. Guy needs to get a life and realize that in the grand scheme of things, he is the biggest loser in Boulder, regardless of whether he can win a TT. Nice enough guy, but I wish he and Lance Armstrong would move along and let clean riders enjoy their sport.
Sorry. Seems like I might have tickled your temper with my magic fingers. You're right. I'm not sure why I said he is a nice guy. He cheated everyone he raced against, so at best he has some serious character flaws and probably isn't that nice of a person. If he is your friend, I'm sorry for offending you. I was simply asking the original poster why they were surprised that he wasn't winning everything anymore. To me it makes complete sense. I personally wish he wasn't racing anymore and I feel for the guys that get bumped off the podium by him. He admitted to doping for several years and probably benefited from a level of training and recovery that other racers could not achieve naturally. Just my opinion and you won't be hearing from me again on the subject. He certainly deserves to move on, but if he wants to continue to subject himself to haters by continuing to race, that is his choice.
For whatever reason this guy is hated more than other dopers. So I would have to assume that he is not a nice guy, took pleasure in beating clean racers, was arrogant and ran over them much like Lance. I mean you don't even hear a word about other past dopers getting the shit this guy gets.
Until USAC has a licensing reciprocity agreement with USA Triathlon, this will be the case. Triathletes wanting to race on the road (crit, circuit, or TT) have to earn upgrade points like any other rider. Just because they excel in the sport of triathlon doesn't mean their racing tactics, bike handling, and strategy are on par with a more advanced racing category.
But TT's don't count for upgrade points and these top level triathletes are not going to enter enough road races or Crits to upgrade (if they enter any at all). Perhaps give them one try in a TT and if they get a top 3, bump them up to the next Cat and so forth. Perhaps if they are a Pro status Triathlete, make them start in at least a Cat 3. It is time to get all human-powered wheeled sports to work together.
This year USAC changed the rule 1H4(c). For single-day TT riders may race a higher category if they so wish. We have been trying to get promoters to put that on flyers, but it would still be the racers responsibility to decide what category they wish to race if they want to race up.
While rule H4(c) allows racing up in category the Haystack flyer clearly stated that racing up was only allowed for annual license holders. Racers with a one day license did not have that option.
I see a pro triathlete in the P12 results. I doubt he has road upgrade points (but may be wrong). He did well but got beat by several amateur roadies, which is what I would expect.
Interesting Number 2012 to 2013
16 miles to 12 miles
$25 to $30 - Individual TT
$20 to $25 - Team TT per rider
Chips to No Chips - (But results where up faster in 2013 at race site.)
Looks like 100 more rides per discipline.
You mean that results from last year were not up after a half-mile ride back to the McGuckin's lot, but they were up after a four and a half-mile ride back to the lot?
course shortened due to "construction" on Niwot road which the county said would start by then. preference would have been to use the full course but too many logistics had to be finalized a week in advance.
price in 2012 determined before knowing full impact of ACA to USCA conversion (most other races last year increased rates by $5). last year, the price increased a week before the race to $30 to give incentive to early registration, so almost everyone paid $30. just think of it as a contribution to the repair bill for the broken toilet at the mj shop.
chips created mulitple errors and problems for those doing both ITT and TTT. no large packs to deal with either at the finish line. results up faster thanks to no chip errors to fix and better internet in the area.
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Haystack still Gold with shorter course?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Is Haystack TT still going to be a BRAc RMRC Gold race with the course being shortened from 16 to 12 miles?
Race flyer on BRAC site still shows 16 mile loop, but on the Haystack site it is showing that it will be the 12 mile loop. http://gsboulder.org/2013-haystack-mountian-time-trials/
Thanks!
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Too bad they shortened it.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Too bad they shortened it. Was looking at giving it a go but $40 ($30 to the people who do the work and $10 for one day to USAC who does nothing) is a bit steep for a 12 mile TT course I can do any weekend.
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Really, that 4 miles makes
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Really, that 4 miles makes that much difference to you? Really?
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It does
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
to me,(not my original comment) this was my first TT ever last year, driving 2 hours one way for this event, so yes the 4 miles is important, I remember that last 4 miles being so brutally hard, hoping to better manage my effort, hey, it is what it is, not living there that last 4 seemed up hill.
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It is a pretty nasty false flat, especially as there is usually an accompanying headwind. That said, different pacing strategy on the shortened course perhaps but the game remains the same: go fast and suffer!
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I had to come to a full stop
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I had to come to a full stop last year at 63rd because of the congestion of vehicles, cones and riders. Sort of sucked to have that happen in a TT.
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Oh man, don't start talking
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Oh man, don't start talking about entry fees and value with this crowd. You'll get eaten alive with posts saying your cheap. Better to just suck it up and take your inflation like a man.
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wait why would length affect
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
wait why would length affect USAC status? it was still longer than frostbite.
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Maybe I missed it in my brief
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Maybe I missed it in my brief reading of the RMRC rules, but I don't see any reference to a requirement for a TT to be a specific distance to be a gold vs silver event.
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cyclists just love to complain
Submitted by Rachel (not verified) on
Thought it was a great event as always (even with a shorter course). Great job to the volunteers out there who swept the course, had good traffic control, prizes and atmosphere. My team and I appreciate your contribution to the CO racing scene. Amazing how much cyclists love to hop on and complain behind an anonymous identity on this site. If you hate it so much, please stop racing or do something about it.
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45's
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Doper suck. Hartmann does not. Ha! Wow. Can't believe some people aren't winning like they used to. Damn that makes me happy.
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And you are still not winning
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
And you are still not winning I see...
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Yeah, but both of them barely
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Yeah, but both of them barely beat a 62 y.o. man who entered their race instead of the 55+...
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Wayne is THE MAN!
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Wayne is THE MAN!
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Can't believe it?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Why can't you believe it? This is what has happened to every other rider that has been busted for doping. If you are all of a sudden afraid of getting tested on occasion, wouldn't you back off the gas (epo) a bit? What I can't believe is that he is still racing. Guy needs to get a life and realize that in the grand scheme of things, he is the biggest loser in Boulder, regardless of whether he can win a TT. Nice enough guy, but I wish he and Lance Armstrong would move along and let clean riders enjoy their sport.
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I wish you would be man
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I wish you would be man enough to tell him to his face. Are you sure he is a nice enough guy? I dare you to find out magic fingers.
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You are right!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Sorry. Seems like I might have tickled your temper with my magic fingers. You're right. I'm not sure why I said he is a nice guy. He cheated everyone he raced against, so at best he has some serious character flaws and probably isn't that nice of a person. If he is your friend, I'm sorry for offending you. I was simply asking the original poster why they were surprised that he wasn't winning everything anymore. To me it makes complete sense. I personally wish he wasn't racing anymore and I feel for the guys that get bumped off the podium by him. He admitted to doping for several years and probably benefited from a level of training and recovery that other racers could not achieve naturally. Just my opinion and you won't be hearing from me again on the subject. He certainly deserves to move on, but if he wants to continue to subject himself to haters by continuing to race, that is his choice.
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For whatever reason this guy
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
For whatever reason this guy is hated more than other dopers. So I would have to assume that he is not a nice guy, took pleasure in beating clean racers, was arrogant and ran over them much like Lance. I mean you don't even hear a word about other past dopers getting the shit this guy gets.
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Another triathlete riding the
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Another triathlete riding the 4s wins the whole thing. Womens race.
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Sorry.
Submitted by Phillip Ball (not verified) on
Until USAC has a licensing reciprocity agreement with USA Triathlon, this will be the case. Triathletes wanting to race on the road (crit, circuit, or TT) have to earn upgrade points like any other rider. Just because they excel in the sport of triathlon doesn't mean their racing tactics, bike handling, and strategy are on par with a more advanced racing category.
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But TT's don't count for
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
But TT's don't count for upgrade points and these top level triathletes are not going to enter enough road races or Crits to upgrade (if they enter any at all). Perhaps give them one try in a TT and if they get a top 3, bump them up to the next Cat and so forth. Perhaps if they are a Pro status Triathlete, make them start in at least a Cat 3. It is time to get all human-powered wheeled sports to work together.
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Category in TT
Submitted by Tim Madden (not verified) on
This year USAC changed the rule 1H4(c). For single-day TT riders may race a higher category if they so wish. We have been trying to get promoters to put that on flyers, but it would still be the racers responsibility to decide what category they wish to race if they want to race up.
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Slight clarification
Submitted by Mister Peanut (not verified) on
While rule H4(c) allows racing up in category the Haystack flyer clearly stated that racing up was only allowed for annual license holders. Racers with a one day license did not have that option.
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I see a pro triathlete in the
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
I see a pro triathlete in the P12 results. I doubt he has road upgrade points (but may be wrong). He did well but got beat by several amateur roadies, which is what I would expect.
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Not true, a SW4 triathlete
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Not true, a SW4 triathlete got second. Another pro triathlete in the SW 35+ took the win by around a minute on 2nd place.
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Interesting - Shorter, More Expensive = More Riders
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Interesting Number 2012 to 2013
16 miles to 12 miles
$25 to $30 - Individual TT
$20 to $25 - Team TT per rider
Chips to No Chips - (But results where up faster in 2013 at race site.)
Looks like 100 more rides per discipline.
Points: 3
Interesting observation, but
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Interesting observation, but what do you think it means?
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We may never hear why
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
We may never hear why directors make up their "price".
People showed and paid.
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You mean that results from
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You mean that results from last year were not up after a half-mile ride back to the McGuckin's lot, but they were up after a four and a half-mile ride back to the lot?
Go figure.
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Last year's Haystack was the
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Last year's Haystack was the day before the Mead RR so maybe people chose one over the other?
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Inflation!!
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Inflation!!
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course shortened due to
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
course shortened due to "construction" on Niwot road which the county said would start by then. preference would have been to use the full course but too many logistics had to be finalized a week in advance.
price in 2012 determined before knowing full impact of ACA to USCA conversion (most other races last year increased rates by $5). last year, the price increased a week before the race to $30 to give incentive to early registration, so almost everyone paid $30. just think of it as a contribution to the repair bill for the broken toilet at the mj shop.
chips created mulitple errors and problems for those doing both ITT and TTT. no large packs to deal with either at the finish line. results up faster thanks to no chip errors to fix and better internet in the area.
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It was not breezy. Very calm
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It was not breezy. Very calm compared to previous years
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It was not breezy. Very calm
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
It was not breezy. Very calm compared to previous years
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