2013 - Cyclo X - Westminster

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Saturday, November 23, 2013

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SM 45+

Finally, fabulous Cross conditions and a great course WOL. Is there a rational/logical reason why the SM 3's & SM 35/3's get 45min and the SM 45's do not, especially since the 45+ category is comprised of Cat 3's and above? Is it b/c there are 40 SS as part of the heat?

I would have been grateful to have had 6 laps and ~45min of racing instead of ~37min and 5 laps. All of the top 20 45+ racers could have raced a 6th lap and finished in 46min. And if you're wondering, yes it would have likely made a significant difference in my placing/points by 2-3 spots and corresponding points. This is of particular interest bc we are just 2 Silver races away from States.

I'm grateful for the work you do and the CX races you provide. A solution that seems logical, fair and reasonable to "find " another 5min to give us 45+ 45min, would be to have the Cat 5's race 35min, 5min less than a SM 4 & 35/4. Allocate that 5min to this relatively fast, experienced and large Masters category for a full 45min of racing.

This is probably a major BRAC topic/decision but anything you can do to change for the Rez and certainly for whomever is the promoter of States would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for listening!

Buttercup

Ask the man who started near 30th and placed in the top 10 if an extra lap didnt/wouldnt have made a difference. Especially when conditions are mucky, it's completely feasible to move up 10 places in a lap if people are floundering. and tell me that doesnt make a difference? Or that a 2nd row start isnt any different than a 3rd when you get to that first bottleneck?

Define "fair"

Define "fair"

You're trying to take away 5 minutes from people who are actually trying to get into the sport and need that 5 minutes to hone their skills, so you can feel good about your midlife crisis? News flash: That extra 5 minutes won't get you on the podium.

Define "fair"

Define "fair"

You're trying to take away 5 minutes from people who are actually trying to get into the sport and need that 5 minutes to hone their skills, so you can feel good about your midlife crisis? News flash: That extra 5 minutes won't get you on the podium.

WOW

Dude you're unbelievable and truly are a d-bag. Why don't you quit cutting others down, their aspirations, and what they want to do in the sport. Sure many people enjoy racing their bikes and don't take it too seriously. Then there are those who get into it more and take it a little more seriously. Regardless of what their intentions and aspirations are, their age and/or ability level, it's all good for the sport. What's poor form and bad for the sport is people like you who act this way and cut others down. Did your daddy not show you enough love growing up or something? You should pick a new sport so that you aren't such a piss poor reflection on bike racing in all aspects (road, Mtn., Track, and Cross).

Wasn't cutting anyone down,

Wasn't cutting anyone down, just stating the obvious. Most beginners don't have any particular aspirations in cycling. Vast majority of the Jr's drop the sport once they learn about the other sex.

The point was to address the previous poster's idea about not taking time from the beginners because they need it to further their entry into the sport. What they need is not more race time, but more coaching/training and mentoring from club members.

That's how you keep 'em in the sport and help 'em improve, not letting them race 45 vs 40 minutes.

I should also point out that

I should also point out that I'm not judging those who have no particular aspirations for higher level racing. You may recall the earlier discussion about racing vs participating. I was one of the first and one of the strongest supporters of the "participants".

I have no beef with the beginners, not trying to cut them down in the slightest.

I agree, some just want the equivalent of the "sunday pick up.."

I agree, some just want the equivalent of the Sunday pick up game. Some do want to make cat 2 or higher and some just want something more than a club ride and there is NOTHING WRONG with that! This is mildly off topic but this is something I strongly believe in.

BTW, this is the article the previous posting is talking about, http://303cycling.com/are-you-racing-or-are-you-participating

What's The Big Deal

Why is double wave time slots such a big issue? Granted, I do not race in categories that "share" space but what am I missing? There is no issue in triathlons, running races, XC or endurance MTB racing, all different categories on the exact same course (have participated in all of these). Yes, I understand all have much longer courses but is it that big if a deal? Are people that much of a d-bag that they don't get out of the way when someone announces "leader" or "passing"?

Clueless in CO

Yes I do care or I wouldnt have written the post and proposed solution. I am gunning for moving up to a possible second row call up by States I still have opportunity to make it happen. Do you really need to ask the obvious, are you really as dense as you come across?

Bravo

Aren't 99% of those out racing an amateur (exceptions=Alan, Yannick, Danny et. al)?

Just bc you've hung up your bike for the season doesn't mean others have. The guy made a valid point (and provided a solution vs just whining/complaining) with every other category 3 and above having a 45min race and what is offered at States to validate.

Much selection can and does still happen in the last lap and if a skilled category greater than or equal to Cat 3 is shorted a lap, it can indeed make a difference, both for or against a racer (ie; 1 more lap to have a mechanical or not being able to hold off the late attack).

Bravo for those still pushing hard for their best call-up & result at State and asking for the fullest opportunity to do so in advance. Nov & Dec it becomes obvious who is and who is not.

Don't assume I've hung my

Don't assume I've hung my wheels for the season. I know, that was just your way of trying to insult me, as if I were a quitter. Nope, haven't stopped racing. But, I'm also fully cognizant of the fact that if I was good enough to run with the front runners, I wouldn't be trying to earn a second row call up.

The best that guy can hope for is to start on the second row, still finish mid pack, and come to the realization that for him, start position wasn't the determining factor he thought it was.

Fo' Realz

"The best that guy can hope for is to start on the second row, still finish mid pack, and come to the realization that for him, start position wasn't the determining factor he thought it was."

Fo' Realz!

45+ race time.

The guy has a point. Yes a lot of us care about competing and that includes more time for the caliber of rider that is 45+ and more points. You are on a slipperly slope argument. Yes I compete. That means a lot which is why I maintain a disclipined work out for 11 months, watch my weight, go to bed early, etc ect.. Otherwise I wouldn't worry about it, get fat, and just go for a fun ride. Or ride the Elephant Rock.
Its interesting how easy it is to put down strong riders who have spent years honing their skills. Give the guy a break or at least some respect.

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