2012 - Guanella Pass Hill Climb

"I want to go there!"


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Results



June 17th, 2012
Georgetown, Colorado

Guanella Pass Road is now paved!!!

Several years in the making, the Guanella pass road is now paved from Georgetown to the top of the pass. The category 1 climb rises 3150 ft. over 12 miles to the summit at 11,700 ft. with sections of 8-9%. Train early and often!

The race is on Father's Day so bring the family along to cheer dad on. Tons of family friendly things to do in Georgetown. Take dad out to lunch, take the kids on the Loop railroad, go hiking.

Special prizes for the fastest daddy's in each category.

Schwagg bags and t-shirts.

Link to event Flyer/Website

Racing: 

40 Comments

Guanella Results

What? More Botched Results?
I wonder if results will be up by the end of the week for Guanella. I blame this on the Promoter. I don't have all the facts but just a suspicion. Anyone weigh in?

well

I did both races this weekend, the TT results were so fast and accurate, so the timing that day was fabulous, scared me! The hill climb,(believe their first event) appeared to be crazy after the first several groups were posted, they were battling ridiculous winds at the top, seemed overwhelmed the the number of racers. WHICH makes me wonder if my(our) expectations for results are skewed??? I have raced a ton this year, Iron Horse was a cluster after the RR, superior RR was another cluster) is this just the way it is for RR

A Van Up on the Summit

Maybe the promoter could have had something more substantial than a table up there. If Chris Farley can have a van down by the river, maybe the Guanella finish could have a Ford Bronco II.
The numbers they get us to wear (2 of them) are the size of the entire back of my jersey. They had a camera right?

Maybe so

do not forget all the work that went into putting a Great HC, what a road, results are very important, we all get that, I mean that, it was their first go of it I believe, sure they would tweak a few things if they had a do over. Hopefully it will be on next year. Truly believe it will all workout with the results, learning curves can be a bitch.

Agreed. Awesome course with a

Agreed. Awesome course with a great mountain top finish. The view was awesome. No big deal on results posting on web. Hand scoring results for multiple categories at once from a mtn pass in high winds, getting it correct, then typing placings into a spread sheet for uploading later takes a little time. Thanks go to the officials too for dealing with tough conditions. Great race Promoter - thanks.

Strongly disagree

my opinion, people who race want results, there are obvious different opinions on how fast they should be posted ect, it was a race, not a ride, there is a huge difference, $ was paid, $ was made, results should be provided. Be fair to the ACA, how was this their problem, chips not used, explain the ACA fault in this to me, Please! I have been critical of the ACA before, this does not seem to be the case, enlighten me.

Is

this true, because I really do not know, does the promoter not have any responsibility when choosing their own timing company? They can just run the race, hand over the paperwork (organized or not) hey post these results ASAP, Really?? That seems odd, we waited several hours, supported some local food joints, finally made the call to start the long drive home. We were told the wind played havoc along with large fields, we actually felt sorry for the people trying to get at least the top 10 posted, seemed seriously stressed and overwhelmed, didn't see how the ACA messed this up, again I don't know the "Here's the deal" agreements between ACA and promoters.

In over two decades of

In over two decades of racing, I've never seen anyone other than an official scoring a race. It's not the promoter who gives the results to the officials to post, it's the officials who give the results to the promoters to post. If the results are slow or wrong or quick and perfect, it's on the officials.

Thanks

Makes sense, now I know, so there is an ACA or like official at the top, they are paid or whatever, it is on ACA. Trying to get a grasp on all these timing posts, so much blaming, if you are unfamiliar with it all, well, who do you believe?

One Heck Of A Road

That is a sweet road. And, yes. Great job on the part of the promoter. Just saying...at 12,000 feet, they might anticipate some adverse conditions and have the Ford Bronco II on hand. Just in case.

It was an awesome course and

It was an awesome course and having water/bathrooms at the top was nice. You raise a more important point, though; the numbers this year are HUGE. I have to fold it just to fit it on my jersey.

whining

Yeah its so annoying when people expect competent delivery of a service they pay money for. I hate that.

The 'service' you say folks

The 'service' you say folks are paying for is participation in a sanctioned, organized race run according to ACA/USAC rules. You pay to be allowed to compete. Nowhere does it say they will provide or that you're entitled to near-instantaneous results.

clearly, many of those folks

clearly, many of those folks disagree sicne theres so much frustration over results, and even the promoters and ACA equivocate and deflect blame.

obviously reasonably timely results factor into the equasion somewhere. or else we'd just do charity rides.

whining?

You make it sound like someone is making a profit off of your entry fee! Very few races make much money, and that usually goes into a club coffers to pay for jerseys. Many races are lucky to break even and many loose money. You make it sound like putting on bike races is capitalistic business. It is not. Promoters put on races because they love bike racing. It is a lot of hard work, with very little gratitude.
Try promoting a race just once and see.

Because you brought it up

I'm tired of this argument that this is a labor of love, promoters/clubs don't get anything out of it and we should all just shut up and take it. Please please please if you have this viewpoint travel outside of the Colorado bubble and go to a race in a well run road bike racing associations. Try SoCal, Wisconsin, Missouri, Oklahoma or the North East conferences. Those promoters do very well and because of their success clubs get into it, put on great races and turn a profit while paying staff! Can you believe it!?! The audacity. The Colorado grass roots system is broken. Promoters and clubs need to look at this like a business and operate accordingly. The competition should be on who can put on the best race not who is willing to take the next step in increasing entry fees. This takes community and local business involvement, rider feedback, and understanding who the promoter's customers are. Guess what, the promoter's customers are not the riders and sure as hell shouldn't be BRAC/USAC! The customers are the community businesses, you make them happy and want to support a race you will have everything you need to have a great and long lasting race. There are examples of that mentality here and they put on great races. The best one I can point you to is the Sonic Boom Race coming up. I am not involved with that club but did talk to the promoter last year and for a first time event did well and turned a profit. And they only charged riders $30 and handed out something like $5,000 in prizes. The community involvement was huge and local businesses did very well that night. It seemed to be run like races outside this state and oh look its back again this year with same prize pay out and entry fee.
Sorry for this rant but the problem is that this is not a capitalistic pursuit and our communities, races and racers suffer as a result. "Clubs put on a race because they have to and because they love the sport so much" clubs should be putting on a race because it furthers their club not because they have to and we try to goat the new members into lending a hand because that is how they show they love the sport. This is the same problem we face with categories getting out of hand, everyone want their metal and to be recognized for being out there, no toughen up! Competition breeds success, success breeds innovation, innovation leads to a better experience which leads to better participation and everyone wins in the end.
And before you challenge my experience know I was a successful race promoter in the midwest for 4 years and did turn a profit all but the first year, successfully handed off the event when I moved out here and it still runs today.

As you said, best race win

You said it right
"The competition should be on who can put on the best race not who is willing to take the next step in increasing entry fees."

You don't like race X then don't do it next year. They are not required to put on a stellar event for you and have results perfect and posted fast. If you are the majority than that race will fail soon and this problem gets solved. The promotor is encouraged but not required to make their event great. Some love to race, regardless of timing issues, results and fees but I accept that this is not for everyone.

Get real.

The suggestion that it's unreasonable to have an expectation of professionalism and quality from our local races because theyre done with shoestrings and volunteers, is pretty insulting to the promoters who actually do manage to put on good events with shoestrings and volunteers.

You miss understood me

I'm not disagreeing with your view point (even though I don't personally stand behind it). Expecting higher quality service is fine and if you don't get it than don't be a return customer. There are events (mostly due to course selection) I will never return to and like wise for you some events you will probably not return to because of the poor service.

Am I right?

Expect better but when it is not delivered then don't return.

sorry that wasn't directed at

sorry that wasn't directed at you. i do agree with you.

i just do not identify at all with the suggestion by some here that expecting quality events (including good results) is whiny or unreasonable.

If good events are possible, which they obviously are, then we should hold substandard events accountable by calling them out, or at worst, not going back.

Thats not whining, and its not ingratitude. its how markets work.

Then lets remove the

Then lets remove the requirement that clubs must promote or support a race. It becomes a profit based endeavor. That will open the schedule for all of those top quality events that make money and every race will have perfect and instantaneous results.

"Ha ha ha" is quite possibly

"Ha ha ha" is quite possibly the sound coming from BR/WL after reading "Promoters put on races because they love bike racing. It is a lot of hard work, with very little gratitude." These guys are putting on 7 CX events this Fall, six of which are on Saturday's (the better day), they've got some prime dates (i.e. not THXgiving weekend), etc. They could control almost 30% of the possible Cross Cup races (24). How many will be gold? CycloX and Boulder Racing events averaged roughly 410 non-jr starters last season. Average reg fee's will probably be $30 this season, but could be more. Based on these calculations they will pull in roughly (very rough estimate) 410*7*30=$86,100. Although a very rough estimate, I think it's conservative since they could charge $40 for certain venues such as Valmont. How much does it cost to put on these events? $86,100? Don't forget that sponsors chip in too, volunteers work for free, BR/WL also does road and tri's.

Other examples are Mt. Evans, Cherry Creek TT, Boulder Roubaix...
These folks are making money, so the idea that it's JUST a labor of love is flat out ridiculous. They should make money, they put on good events. Where the money goes (i.e. jerseys for members, beer, parties, in their pockets) doesn't matter.

even simpler than that

That is all true and important but its also not even the point.

it doesnt matter how much theyre making, it matters how much they are charging and what stardards of quality i think my money is worth.

Short of the money all going to a charity, racing a simple service-for-fee transaction and if some vendors are providing s better service for the similar fee, well thats relevant to the conversation.

In the case of charity rides, I'll tolerate a little bit lower standards, in theory. Athough for the most part, charities ride organizers have their acts much more togther than 3/4s of local race promoters.

It may not be the point you

It may not be the point you like, but it certainly is a point.

What they are making doesn't matter, but some races do make money for a variety of reasons. That is all I'm saying and I'm responding to the "labor of love" comment. Not all races make money, but I think promoters strive to. For example, why is Mt Evans so popular? First and foremost the ride is epic. Second, we all know Newcomer and Team Evergreen will put on a great show. Because of this they can charge $60 or whatever it is for their event. It's simple economics, create a superior product and consumers will buy it. Kudos to them.

Yes they're making money as

Yes they're making money as they should for all the time that goes into their events to make them a cut above. They have the most expensive venue fees, they pay their volunteer groups and staff, and now they're bringing in a 3rd party timing company for 3x the cost of the ACA system because they want real chip splits. http://303cycling.com/press-release-boulder-racing-timing So let's be a bit thankful for a company willing to invest the time and energy into pushing the envelope vs harping on the fact that their successful business operation generates revenue.

Did you miss the part where I

Did you miss the part where I said "They should make money, they put on good events"?

I've met Lance and Tony and they are cool and I love that are a part of our scene. CX is awesome because of them, Grealish, Alpha, etc. My point (again)is promoters make money (it's a business) and oddly you spun it negatively.

There are very few

There are very few 'promoters'. Most races are put on by clubs, out of their love of the sport and to comply with ACA/USAC rules that require clubs to promote races to maintain good standing.

Idea

Here's an idea - results should be provided for the top 5 or 10 and the Prime winners. This should be sufficient for a saturday afternoon crit/RR and possibly lower the costs of participation and the time wasting during the week discussing it. When it matters (omnium or stage race) then provide results.

If these whiners spent the time training instead of moaning about knowing whether they were 27th or 37th in the Cat3 - 42 1/2 to 46 3/4 age group, they might be in the Top 5 or 10. If you were part of the race and made a difference you know it. If you werent then only your wife and kids probably care if you finished in the Top 30 out of 37 finishers.

bad idea

As someone who now fairly often finishes in the single digits, I can remember very clearly finishing 20th, 30th or later in decent sized races. We each have different goals, and my goals then were to move up the pack, finish better, see my times improve, beat certain people, etc, etc. When we pay money for an event, it's not too much to ask for someone to keep some sort of "pseudo official" record of it. If you run a 5k in 13 minutes or 30 minutes, you get your name in the results... our races have 1/10th the participation, and $$ timing chips to boot!